Who killed Talha? A Question which Nasibies never Answer.

A very Important Question, which Nasibies never Answer but always hide and run away from it.

Why?
Marwan bin Hakam, the Ameer-ul-Momineen of Nasbibies, killed Talha

Yes, Marwan bin Hakam killed Talha while he knew very well that Talha conspired against Uthman and finally killed him. And it was not only Marwan, but whole Bani Ummiyyah considered Talha as Killer of Uthman.

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Nasibi Aqeedah is criticizing the wrong doings of Sahaba makes you Kafir.
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Yet, these same Nasibies have declared Marwan bin Hakam to be “Radhi Allaho Anho” and their Rashid (rightly guided) Caliph and “Ameer-ul-Momineen” despite the fact he is killer of Talha.

These are those “Double Standards” due to which Nasibies have always to hide it and never answer this question.

The favourite Alim of our opponents, Ibn Kathir reported in "Al-Badaya wa Al-Nahaya", Volume 7 page 248 Dhikr Jamal:



ويقال: إن الذي رماه بهذا السهم مروان بن الحكم وقال لأبان بن عثمان: قد كفيتك رجلا من قتلة عثمان.

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“Talha was killed in the battle of Jamal by the arrow of Marwan, who then told Aban-bin-Utham that I have taken the revenge for the blood of your father ‘Uthman”

It is written in Riyahul Nudhra, v 4, p 34:

" Marwan after killing Talha declared that there was no longer any need to avenge the slaying of ‘Uthman.

The classical books of Ahl’ul Sunnah record from Yahya Ibn Sa'id:

Marwan Ibn al-Hakam, who was in the ranks of Talha, saw Talha who was retreating (when his army was being defeated in the battlefield). Marwan and all Bani Ummayya considered him as the killer of Uthman. Marwan shot an arrow at him and severely wounded him. He then said to Aban, the son of Uthman, that: "I have spared you from one of your father's murderers." Talha was taken to a ruined house in Basra where he died.

You can find this reference in the following Ahle Sunnah Books:

1. Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa'ad, v3, part 1, p159

2. al-Isabah, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v3, pp 532-533

3. Tarikh Ibn al-Athir, v3, p244

4. Usdul Ghabah, v3, pp 87-88

5. al-Isti'ab, Ibn Abd al-Barr, v2, p766

Ibn Jarir Tabari reported from Zuhri:

".... Ali told to the young boy (of his army), "Hold this (Quran) up before them and say, "Every word in this shall judge between you and us, and I beg of you for Allah's sake to stop shedding our blood and yours.".
But, with the copy of the Quran in his hand, the boy was attacked. His hands were cut off, so he took it in his teeth until he was killed. Ali then said, "Battle is now justified, so fight them!".
Seventy men were killed that day, each holding in turn the nose rein of Aishah's camel. After the camel was hamstrung and the force was routed, an arrow hit Talha and killed him. It is said that it was Marwan bin Hakam who fired this arrow.

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Testimony of Sapah Sahab Alim that Marwan killed Talha, while he considered him killer of Uthman

Zafar Ahamad Uthmani wrote a book "Barat-e-Uthman" (in Urdu). This book has been publised on net by Sapah Sahab Website www.kr-hcy.com .

Let us see the witness of this Sapah Sahaba A'alim that Marwan bin Hakam killed Talha, while he considered him to be the killer of Uthman. He writes:

"Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani wrote in "Fath al-Bari": "Another big objection on Marwan is this that during the battle of Jamal, he shot an arrow on Talha and he died. And he also rose the sword for Caliphate after Muawiyya Ibn Yazid".
Ismael has answered about killing of Talha that this killing took place due to the mistake of "Taweel" تاویل, like other Sahaba were killed at the hands of each other in this battle.. But Imam Malik has accepted his Ahadith in Fiqh and all other compilers of Sahah Satta (except Muslim) gathered his Ahadith in their books."

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Our opponents have only one excuse for all the wrong-doings of Sahaba, and this lame excuse is:

* "Sahabi did it due to the mistake of "Taweel". That's why there is no sin upon them".

These Nasibies even don't stop here, but further claim:

* "This Taweel was due to the Ijtehadi mistake, and they will get reward for this".

We tell our opponents that this mistake of Taweel can be done today by you and us, but such a mistake of Taweel is impossible from Marwan bin Al-Hakam. He was the Closest person to Uthman and stayed with him during all the time of siege and Uthman fully relied upon him. So, if anybody knew the killers of Uthman well after Uthman, then it was ONLY Marwan bin Hakam.

So, it is worst type of lame excuse that Marwan made any mistake of Taweel in this case.

[Note: You could read this Article at www.answering-ansar.org, you will see in detail the whole role of Marwan bin Hakam during the seige of Uthman]

Even Marwan is himself giving the testimony of this fact from his own tongue:

“When Uthman was killed, and Talha, Zubair and A'aisha went to Basra in order to avenge the blood of 'Uthman, at that time Marwan also accompanied them. When all the people were running away in battlefield (after 'Aisha's forces were defeated), Marwan saw Talha and said: "By Allah, he is responsible for killing of Uthman, and indeed he treated Uthman badly. And I need no other testimony after watching all this from my own eyes. He took an arrow and shot it to Talha, which killed him."

Sunni Reference: Tabaqat Ibn Sa'ad, Urdu Edition, Nafees Academy, vol. 5, page 55.
Witness of son of Talha, that his father was involved in Killing of Uthman

Talha played such a great role in the killing of Uthman, that even his own son accepted it.

Ibn Qutaiba writes in his book "Al-Imama Wa Siyyasah", page 60:

"Someone asked Muhammad bin Talha that who killed Uthman. He replied that "one third of his death was attributable to Ayesha and one third was due to my father Talha".

Ibn Jarir Tabari reported:

"One person came to Muhammad bin Talha (the son of Talha). This Muhammad bin Talha was a very pious man. That person asked him: "Who killed Uthman?" Muhammad bin Talha answered: "Three people are responsible for the killing of Uthman. One third responsibility goes to this woman, who is riding this camel (i.e. 'Aisha). And one third goes to the rider of that red camel i.e. my father Talha. And remaining one third goes upon Ali Ibn Abi Talib.
Upon this that person recited the following poetry:
"I asked son of Talha who is responsible for killing of that person in Madina, who even didn't get the funeral.
He replied: One third is this woman on camel, one third is upon rider of that red camel (i.e. Talha) and one third upon Ali Ibn Abi Talib.
It is like this that we are simple people and don't know much. And I answered him:
You told the truth about the first 2 people, but you made a mistake about the 3rd person."

Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, vol. 3, page 478 (published by Daarul Isha'at Pakistan)

Also in Iqd al Fareed Volume 2 page 218 and al Imama wal Siyasa page 45 we are told that:

"Sad ibn Abi Waqqas was asked 'who killed ‘Uthman? Sad replied, 'the sword was lifted by Ayesha and it was sharpened by Talha".

We read in Iqd al Fareed page 220 that Hadhrat Naila (Uthman's wife) wrote a letter to Mu’awiya bin Hind:

“From Nayla-bint-e-Farasa to Mu'awiya bin Abi Sufyan. I was present at the time when ‘Uthman was murdered and I shall narrate the event to you. People of Madina surrounded ‘Uthman’s house and they started guarding the door with their weapons. For fifty nights they did not let anything enter the house. It was Muhammad bin Abu Bakr, Ammar Yasir, Talha and Zubayr that gave the order to the people to kill ‘Uthman”.

Similarly, we read in Fusul al Muhimma page 79 Dhikr Jamal and Mutalib al Saul page 117 Dhikr Jamal that:

‘Ali asked Zubayr about the reasons that made him fight against him, to which Zubayr stated, “I want to fight to avenge the murder of ‘Uthman”. Imam ‘Ali replied, “If you have justice in your heart, you would realize that it was you and your friends that murdered ‘Uthman”.

Ibn Jarir Tabari recorded from Ahmad bin Zuhair - He from his father Khuthaima - Wahab bin Jarir - from his father - from Younis bin Yazid - from Zuhri:

"The news, that is, of the seventy who were killed with al-Abdi at al-Basrah, reached Ali, so he advanced with 12000 men and came to al-Basrah ......When the forces confronted each other, Ali went out on his horse and called out to al-Zubayr and the two of them confronted each other.....Ali said to al-Zubair: "Are you asking me for compensation for the blood of 'Uthman, when it was you who killed him? I ask Allah in His power right now to give a hateful punishment to he among us who was the severest in opposing 'Uthman." Ali said to Talhah: " You have brought the Messenger of Allah's wife to make her fight while you hide your wife at home.”

Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, English Edition, page 125 and Page 126

This same tradition is with almost similar words has also been recorded by Ibn Jarir Tabari - Abu Bakr - Qatadah:

Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, English Edition, volume 16, page 115 and Page 116

In Al Istiab Volume 3 page 213 “Dhikr Talha” and “Layneen fi Tafseel Shaykhain page 280 “Dhikr Muthaen Ali”, one of Imam ‘Ali (as)’s speeches is recorded in which he declared:

“Talha, Zubayr and Ayesha ask the right for something which they themselves abandoned. And ask to revenge the blood, which they themselves shed. They were responsible for the killing of ‘Uthman, to which I was not a party, but now they deny it. I am not a party to ‘Uthman’s killing, and the only culprit party to pay for the killing of ‘Uthman is this rebel group. They made their oath of allegiance to me and then broke it”.

And following is the opinion of 'Aisha and people on the role of Talha and Zubair about the killing of 'Uthman:

"Ibn Jarir Tabari - Ziyaad bin Ayub - Muassab bin Sulaiman al-Tamimi - Muhammad - Asim bin Kulayb:

(Kulayb said when they came back from Jahaad, then it became famous that after some days Talha and Zubayr were arriving and Umm Momineen 'Aisha is also with them. People were astonished to hear it as they thought that they themselves were angry with 'Uthman and they made people to rovolt against him. And now they were taking the name of avenge of Uthman in order to make them free of this charge).
'Aisha said: "We became angry at 'Uthman on your behalf because of three things he did: giving command to youths, expropriating common property and beating (people) with whips and sticks" .

Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, English Edition, volume 16, page 100
Some more incidents from History of Tabari

Ibn Jarir Tabari from Muhammad bin Umar (al-Waqidi) - Abrahim bin Sulaym - from his father - Basr bin Sa'eed - Abdullah Ibn Abbas (/Ayyash) bin Rabia:

I entered Uthman's presence (During the agitation against Uthman) and talked with him for an hour. He said: "Come Ibn Abbas/Ayyash," and he took me by the hand and had me listen to what the people were saying at his door. We heard some say, "what are you waiting for," while others were saying, "wait, perhaps he will repent." While the two of us were standing there (behind the door and listening), Talha Ibn Ubaydillah passed by and said: "Where is Ibn Udays?" He was told, "He is over there." Ibn Udays came to (Talha) and whispered something with him, and then went back to his associates and said: "Do not let anyone go in (to the house of Uthman) to see this man or leave his house."
Uthman said to me: "These are the orders of Talha." He continued, "O God! Protect me from Talha for he has provoked all these peopleagainst me. By God, I hope nothing will come of it, and that his own blood will be shed. Talha has abused me unlawfully. I heard the Messenger of God said: 'The blood of a Muslim is lawful in three cases: apostasy, adultery, and the one who kills except in legitimate retaliation for another.' So why should I be killed?"
Ibn Abbas continued: I wanted to leave (the house), but they blocked my path until Muhammad Ibn Abi Bakr who was passing by requested them to let me go, and they did so.

Sunni reference:

* History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, pp199 -200
* History of al-Tabari, Urdu Edition, Vol. 3, page 389

On this same page, Ibn Jarir reported from Muhammd bin Umar (al-Waqidi) - Yaqoob bin Abdullah Ashari - Jaffar bin Abi al-Mugheera - Saàd bin Abzay:

Abzay said: I witnessed the day they went in against Uthman. They entered the house through an opening in the residence of Amr Ibn Hazm. There was a skirmishing and they got in. By God, I have not forgotten that Sudan Ibn Humran came out and I heard him say: "Where is Talha Ibn Ubaydillah? We have killed Ibn Affan!"

Sunni reference:

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History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, p200
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Hisory of al-Tabari, Urdu Edition, volume 3, page 389

Mawla Ali (as) stops Talha from killing of Uthman

Uthman was besieged in Medina while Imam Ali (AS) was in Khaibar. The Imam (AS) came to Medina and found people gathering at the residence of Talha.Then Imam Ali (AS) went to met Uthman. Ibn Athir wrote:

Uthman said to Ali: "You owe me my Islamic right and the right of brotherhood and relationship. If I have non of these rights and if I were in pre-Islamic era, it would be still shame for a descendants of Abd Munaf (of whom both Ali and Uthman are descendants) to let a man of Tyme (Talha) rob us of our authority." Ali said to Uthman: "You shall be informed of what I do." Then Ali went to Talha's house. There were a lot of people there. Ali spoke to Talha saying: "Talha, what is this condition in which you have fallen?" Talha replied: "O' Abul Hasan! it is to late!"

Sunni reference: al-Kamil, by Ibn Athir, v3, p84

Tabari also reports the following conversation between Imam Ali and Talha during the siege over Uthman:

Ali said to Talha: "I ask you by Allah to send people away from (attacking) Uthman." Talha replied: "No, by God, not until the Umayad voluntarily submit to what is right." (Uthman was the head of Umayad).

Reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, p235

Simlarly Ibn Asakir has written in Tarikh of Damishq, Bab of Uthman, page 407:

"Qais says that one man came to meet Talha while Uthman was besieged. He requested Talha to interfere in this matter and make sure about the safety of Utman. Talha replied: "No, by God, not until the Umayad voluntarily submit to what is right." (Uthman was the head of Umayad).

Similarly, see the following tradition, where Mawla Ali (as) particularly pointed out Talha as Killer of Uthman:

"According to Muhammd - Hisham bin Sa'd - Abu Hilal - Ibn Abbas:

Five days after the murder of 'Uthman, I arrived in Medina from Mecca. I went to go and visit Ali but was told that al-Mughirah bin Shubah was with him. So I sat at the entrance for an hour. When Mughirah came out, he greeted me and said, "How long ago did you get here?". "This past hour, " I replied. I then went into Ali and greeted him. He asked me, "Did you meet al-Zubayr and Talhah?" " I met them in al-Nawasif." "Who was with them?" he asked. "Abu Said bin Harith bin Hisham with a Qurashi force," I replied. Ali then said: "I am sure they will never refrain from coming out and saying, "We sek repayment for Uthman's blood. By Allah! We know that they are the ones who killed uthman."

Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, English Edition, volume 16, page 23

Talhah also knew all of his crimes. Imam Jarir Tabari has recorded:

According to Ahmad bin Mansur - Yahya bin Main - Hisham bin Yousuf the qadi of Sana - Abdullah b Musab bin Thabit bin Abdullah bin al-Zubayr - Musa bin Uqbah - Alqamah bin Waqqas al-Laythi:

When Talhah and al-Zubayr and Aisha set out, I noticed that Talhah preferred to sit alone and would flick his beard against his chest. So I said to him: "Abu Muhammad! I see that yoou prefer to sit alone and keep flicking your beard against your chest. If there is something you dislike [going on], sit [and talk about it]!" "Alqamah bin Waqqas, "He replied to me, "we were all united against others. But now we have become two mountains of iron, each seeking to [finish] the other. There was indeed some thing I did against Uthman and my penance for it can be nothing less than having my blood spilled in the course of seeking vengeance for his blood."

Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, English Edition, volume 16, page 79

Saeed bin al-Aas also told Marwan why he wanted to fight Ali when killers of Uthman are already with him.

Ibn Jarir Tabari recorded from Umar bin Shabbah - Abu al-Hasan - Abu Amr - Utbah bin al-Mughirah bin al-Akhnas:

At Dhat Irq Said bin al-Aas met Marwan bin al-hakam and his men and asked: "Where are you heading for? Those from whom you seek revenge are on the rumps of camels. Kill them and then go back to your houses! "

Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, English Edition, volume 16, page 44
Talha even deprived Uthman of water

Nasibies describe very often that even water was stopped on Uthman, but they never tell who stopped that water.

Tabari from Muhamad bin Umar (al-Waqidi) - Ibn Abi A'oun - he from his father:

Abdurrahman Ibn al-Aswad said: "I constantly saw Ali avoiding (Uthman) and not acting as he formerly had. However, I know that he spoke with Talha when Uthman was under siege, to the effect that water skins should be taken to him. Ali was extremely upset (from Talha) about that until finally water skins were allowed to reach Uthman."

Sunni reference: History of al-Tabari, English version, v15, pp 180-181

Now either Nasibies have to stop crying that it were Shias who stopped water on Taqqi Mazloom Uthman, or they have to narrate complete tradition which makes it clear that it were not Shias (/Sabaies) who stopped water upon Uthman, but it was Talhah who did this.

Note: To know why Imam Ali (AS) deserted Uthman, see the traditions close to the end of this article.

The respected Sunni Historian Al-Baladhori writes in his book al-Ansaab al-Ashraaf:

"None of any Companion opposed Uthman as much as it was done by Talha. He took the things into his hands along with Zubair. Talha also stopped water to reach Uthman.
Ali bin Abi Talib was in his property, which was one mile away from Madina. When he came to know this, he sent a message to Talha to let Uthman have water from the well of "Bair-e-Roma" and don't let him dirsty. But Talha refused to accept that,"

Sunni Reference: Al-Ansaab al-Ashraaf, volume 5, page 90

Imam Tabari recorded:

"When people besieged Uthman and water is stopped for him, upon that Uthman wrote to Ali and asked him for help and for water.
Ali talked with Talha, but he refused. Upon that Ali became so much enraged that Talhah got no other choice other than to accept it. At end, water was put on animals and sent to Uthman's house."

Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, Arabic Version, volume5, page 113

Al-Baladhori also recorded:

"When people besieged Utman and stopped water to reach him, he (Uthman) was compelled to come out of his house. He asked people if Ali is present there. People replied, "No". Upon that Uthman asked if Sa'ad bin Abi Waqqas is present there, but people again replied in negative.
Then Utman kept quite for some time and then said: "Could any one among you go to Ali and tell him to bring water to us?"
When Ali got this message, he sent 3 pots of water to Uthman. And along with water he also sent Bani Hashim and slaves of Bani Ummaiyyah in order to protect that water. But till the time water reached Uthman, many of those slaves were injured by people."

Sunni Reference: Al-Ansaab al-Asharaaf, volume 5, page 74
Talha wrote Letters to Basra against Uthman

Ibn Jarir Tabari narrated from Ahmad – from his father – from Wahab bin Jarir bin Hazim – from Younis bin Yazeed – from Zuhri:

".... (Uthman bin Haneef made peace with Aisha, Talha and Zubair on the condition that he will lead the prayers until reply comes from Madina).
But they waited only two days and then attacked Uthman and fought with him at al-Zabuqah near the supply center. They gained the upper hand and captured Uthman. They were about to kill him but then they feared the warth of Ansar. So they attacked his hair and body instead.
Talhah and al-Zubair then rose to make speeches and said:
People of al-Basrah! Repentance should fit the crime. We wanted the Commander of Faithful only to get Uthman to satisfy [our complaints]. We didn't want him to be killed, but the fools prevailed over the wise men and killed him." "But Abu Muhammad!" the people replied Talhah."The letters you sent us said otherwise." [Talhah was unable to answer them, and upon that al-Zubayr said]"Did you [also] receive any letter from me about what he was doing?`"Asked al-Zubayr, going on to mention Uthman's murder and what led to it and to emphasize Ali's blame in it.
At this a man from Abd al-Qays stood up facing him and said: "Be silent, man! And listen so that we may speak." Abdallah bin al-Zubayr retorted, "What position are you in to speak?" "Company of Muhajirun!" said the Abdi. "You were the first to respond to the message of God, and you gained favour through that, and then everyone else entered Islam following your example. Then when the Messenger of God died you gave allegiance to one of your number, but by Allah, you didn't consult us in any way about it. We gave our approval nevertheless and went along with you, and Almighty and Glorious Allah blessed the Muslims through His caliphate. Then he died, having appointed a man Caliph in his place over you. Again you didn't discuss it with us, but we gave our approval and accepted. When this caliph died, he placed the decision in the hands of six men, and you chose Uthman and gave him allegiance without consulting us. Then you found some faults with this man, so you killed him without consulting us. Then you gave allegiance to Ali, without consulting us. So what exactly are you angry with him about that we should fight him? Has he appropriated booty or carried out som injustice? Has he done something you object to such that we should join you against him? If not, then what is going on?"
Talhah and al-Zubayr's men then tried to kill this Abdi, but his tribesmen stood in their way. But the next morning they leaped on him and his men and killed seventy men."

Sunni Reference:History of Tabari, English Edition, vol. 16, page 68 and Page 69

Now according to Rule of Sharia, it is obligatory upon us to send Lanah (curse) upon the killers of this Abdi and his seventy companions. Amin.

Sunni Imam, Ibn Qutaybah writes in his book "Al-Immamah wa al-Siyassah", page 64 that when Aisha, Talha and Zubair came to Basra, a person came to them and said:

"O Talhah, do you recognise this letter? Talhah replied, "Yes". Upon this that person said, "Don't you have any shame that some days ago you wrote letters to us asking us to revolt against Uthman, and now you are asking us to help you in taking his revenge."

At end, let Allah be our witness and let us do the justice. The Nasibies don't have even a SINGLE tradition which is pure of Saif ibn Umar, which tells us that such and such Sabaies existed who conspired against Uthman and misguided Sahaba.... and finally killed Uthman. But still Nasibies are crying for the last 1200 hundred years that it were Sabaies/Shias who killed Uthman.

Compared to this, Nasibies are unable to see all these Traditions about Talha and Zubair (which are much much stronger than fairy tale of Saif Ibn Umar Kadhab) for the last 1200 years.

And only Allah knows better how long Nasibies would take more to come out of their blind Sahaba Worship Disease, or Allah want to keep them in this Disease till Qiyyammah. Allahu 'Alam.